Avoid The Carnivore Diet If You Have Thyroid Problems
Avoid The Carnivore Diet If You Have Thyroid Problems

Avoid The Carnivore Diet If You Have Thyroid Problems

There are so many different diets and foods that you can eat as a thyroid patient that it can make it hard to navigate this space.

One thing is for certain, though:

The food that you put into your body can either exert a positive effect on your body and thyroidor a negative one

Your job as a thyroid patient is to put as many foods into your body that continually provide a positive stimulus. 

If you can repeatedly do this over a long period of time then, yeah, you might put yourself in a situation where you are less dependent on thyroid medication. 

And, intuitively, a lot of people know that this is true (even if their doctors try to convince them otherwise) which is why you’ll find all sorts of information on the internet about which diet is best

One of the diets that is often touted as a cure-all to everything is the carnivore diet. 

Proponents of this diet suggest that going carnivore and eating like our ancestors has the ability to put multiple diseases into remission, help with weight loss, and more. 

But is this really true? And is this the type of diet that you should consider as a thyroid patient? 

My response? 

No. 

At least not for everyone. 

Will there be situations in which going carnivore makes sense or in which some people will see benefits by going carnivore? 

Of course, because everyone is unique there is no one-size-fits-all diet. 

But does this mean that carnivore should be the recommended base diet for all thyroid patients and all thyroid problems? 

Definitely not. 

If you are thinking about going carnivore and you have a thyroid problem, here are a few things you should consider before going down the rabbit hole of carnivore: 

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#1. Carbohydrates Are Needed For Optimal Thyroid Function

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I think everyone is familiar with what the carnivore diet entails but, in case you aren’t, here’s a quick primer: 

The carnivore diet is a diet that focuses primarily on meats but also allows fish and other animal products such as eggs and butter. 

This diet is very high in protein and fats but is severely lacking in carbohydrates which is by design. 

Many people, especially those who are proponents of carnivore and the ketogenic diet, suggest that carbohydrates are responsible for the diseases that plague mankind. 

According to them, diseases like cancer (1), diabetes (2), heart disease (3), stroke (4), and more, all stem from the increased intake of carbohydrates like sugar, bread, pastries, pasta, and so on. 

This stance is represented in the diet and foods that people who believe this recommend. 

In other words, they will strongly suggest that you remove all sources of carbohydrates from your diet as possible. 

They justify this stance by making the claim that carbohydrates are considered non-essential which is not true for fats and proteins. 

As far as nutrition goes, the body has an absolute need for fats, called essential fatty acids (5), and proteins called essential amino acids (6). 

Because the body is unable to produce these essential fats and proteins, they must be consumed from your diet. 

You’ll notice that there are no essential carbohydrates. 

So the logic goes that you will be able to get everything your body needs if you consume a diet that is rich in essential fats and essential proteins. 

While this is technically true, there’s a little more to the story. 

The body doesn’t have a need for carbohydrates to survive, that much is true, but it appears to need carbohydrates to thrive. 

For the purpose of living a long and healthy life, most of us really want to thrive, not just exist, so this is actually very important. 

In women, low-carb diets have been shown to cause issues with the menstrual cycle and, in men, they’ve been shown to cause low testosterone. 

But more important than this, very low-carb diets sustained over a long period of time have been shown to cause thyroid problems in some people. 

This is seen in studies such as this one (7). 

What researchers see is that as carbohydrate intake decreases, the conversion of active thyroid hormones decreases as well.

This is reflected in thyroid lab tests as a decrease in active T3 thyroid hormone and an increase in T4 levels which is associated with no change in the TSH. 

If you aren’t familiar with thyroid hormone lab tests, allow me to explain what this means: 

The TSH is a measure of total thyroid function in the body.

So at first glance, the fact that the TSH remains unchanged in these diets is a fairly positive sign. 

But the problem isn’t from the TSH, it comes from the change in circulating thyroid hormones and their relation to one another. 

T4 is considered an inactive thyroid hormone which acts as a reservoir for T3 hormone production. 

T3, on the other hand, is the most biologically active thyroid hormone and the thyroid hormone that pretty much does everything you want your thyroid to do. 

What your body does is draw upon your T4 stores to turn it into T3 on an as-needed basis. 

The shift that is seen in low-carb diets indicates that the body is conserving T4 levels and reducing the conversion of inactive thyroid hormone to active thyroid hormone. 

This exact scenario is typically seen in situations in which the body is actively trying to conserve energy and shunt resources to other parts of the body that need those resources more. 

We see this lab pattern in situations where people are chronically ill or under extreme stress. 

In other words, low-carb diets, at least for some people, seem to cause changes in thyroid thyroid lab tests that are not usually seen in healthy people. 

The advocates of carnivore are aware of this but will try to suggest that these changes in thyroid hormones provide some benefit to longevity and may just be an adaptive response.

It’s hard to know exactly what these changes mean but there’s no question that, at least for some people, going carnivore may be enough to not only make existing hypothyroid patients feel worse but also enough to throw some people into hypothyroidism. 

This doesn’t mean that low-carb diets will negatively impact everyone who goes carnivore, but it does mean that it may cause problems for certain individuals. 

We’ll talk more about when it may make sense to accept these changes to thyroid function in a minute but for now, let’s talk about another reason you may want to avoid going carnivore: 

#2. Decreased Carbohydrate Intake Increases Sex Hormone Binding Globulin And Decreases The Activity of Sex Hormones

Not only will decreased carbohydrate intake impact your thyroid hormone levels, but it also will impact your sex hormone levels. 

We know this from both real-world examples of people who have shared their lab work (more on this below) while undergoing the carnivore diet and from research studies. 

They all show the same thing:

As carbohydrate intake declines, sex hormone binding globulin levels increase (8), and free sex hormone levels decline. 

For those who have never heard about sex hormone-binding globulin before, here’s what you need to know. 

Sex hormone-binding globulin (abbreviated as SHBG) controls how much sex hormone your body has available for use

The higher your SHBG is, the less active your sex hormones will be. It’s that simple. 

People who undergo low carbohydrate diets will see their SHBG rise which is automatically associated with a decline in free sex hormone levels. 

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For men, this is seen as a decline in free testosterone and, for women, it’s seen as a decline in free estradiol. 

The impact on both hormones is the same for both genders, it’s just that the physiologic impact differs because men need testosterone more than women and women need estrogen more than men.

But why does this matter for thyroid patients?

Well, aside from the fact that sex hormone balance is critical if you want to live a long healthy life, there is also a bi-directional relationship between sex hormone levels and thyroid function. 

Thyroid hormones impact sex hormones like testosterone and estrogen (9) such that when thyroid hormone levels are low, men and women experience problems related to their primary sex hormone. 

Men will see a decline in libido, erectile dysfunction, low testosterone, and decreased vitality. 

And women will see changes to their menstrual cycle, weight gain, decreased libido, and infertility. 

In men, these symptoms are related to low testosterone and in women, they are related to low estrogen. 

As estrogen levels decrease they impact the thyroid by impacting thyroid-binding globulin (10). 

This impact can be significant enough to warrant higher doses of thyroid medication to normalize thyroid hormone levels in women. 

The bottom line? Thyroid hormone and sex hormones are connected. 

Outside of these theoretical changes seen in research studies, we also have some real-world examples of what these changes look like from long-term users of the carnivore diet. 

Dr. Paul Saladino M.D., a big proponent of the carnivore diet, has gone on record by sharing his lab work while on the carnivore diet and after the introduction of carbohydrates like fruit and honey. 

What he shares tracks exactly with the research stated above: 

His lab work after being on a strict carnivore/keto diet for several years showed a sky-high SHBG level, a low free testosterone level, a high-normal TSH, and a low T3. 

After adding fruits and honey to his diet (around 200 grams per day) he saw a very large drop in his SHBG level (by about half), a rise in his free testosterone level, a decrease in his TSH level, and a rise in his free T3. 

These changes were also associated with an increase in his energy levels and an increase in his basal body temperature. 

What’s even more interesting is that all of these changes occurred without impacting his fasting serum insulin level which remained undetectable both before and after. 

Why is this significant?

Because, at least anecdotally, it shows that carbohydrates are not only essential for proper thyroid and sex hormone function, but that including healthy sources of carbohydrates does NOT have a negative impact on insulin levels. 

#3. There are Better Ways To Lose Weight

I think one of the main reasons that the carnivore diet is so attractive to people is that 1) it’s relatively simple to understand and 2) there’s a promise of weight loss at the end. 

This is particularly appealing to thyroid patients who often struggle to lose weight

But is there anything special about the carnivore diet that you can’t obtain with other healthy diets?

No. 

Some people will try to suggest that carnivore diets are superior to weight loss because they result in more rapid weight loss. 

And while this appears true, it’s somewhat misleading. 

The weight loss associated with low carbohydrate diets will always be more rapid, at least initially, because these diets impact fluid levels as well as bowel movements. 

An increase in bowel movements and changes to the kidneys that result in the excretion of water from the body make it look like you lose a lot of weight quickly but this weight is just fluid and water, not fat. 

When you break down the weight loss from the carnivore diet and account for this loss in fluid, you see that there are no differences in other diets. 

It just appears to be more effective because the weight loss on the scale from fluid loss is more pronounced in the beginning. 

The reality is that you can absolutely lose weight at the same rate as the carnivore diet with a healthy whole food-based diet. 

And these whole-food diets that include healthy sources of carbohydrates such as fruits and vegetables do not come with all of the baggage and potential problems as the carnivore diet. 

In other words, there’s nothing special about the carnivore diet when it comes to weight loss. 

#4. Low Carb Diets Cause Sleep Disturbances

The final nail in the coffin for the carnivore diet is that it may cause issues with sleep. 

This particular issue is well-known in the carnivore community and is often referred to as carnivore insomnia or keto insomnia. 

Its exact cause is not exactly known but it definitely has something to do with carbohydrate intake. 

Studies like this one have shown that low-carb diets reduce rapid eye movement sleep and increase slow-wave sleep (11). 

Why is this a problem?

Because thyroid patients already suffer from shorter sleep duration and lower satisfaction with their sleep quality compared to the average population. 

When you add on additional factors that may make sleep worse, you have a recipe for even worse sleep outcomes. 

We also know that sleep plays an important role in regulating weight, thyroid hormones, and even sex hormones. 

So anything that negatively impacts your sleep will also impact these important systems.

Just because carnivore can cause sleep issues doesn’t guarantee that it will in your specific situation but because of the importance of sleep in your overall health, this factor should be considered, especially if you already have issues with sleep. 

Going Carnivore If You Have a Thyroid Problem: When Does it Make Sense?

Are there situations in which it may make sense to use the carnivore diet if you have a thyroid problem?

Absolutely. 

It may seem hypocritical for me to suggest this given what we’ve discussed so far but I do think there are situations where this diet does make sense, at least temporarily. 

The situations that I’m referring to are those of autoimmune diseases like Graves’ and Hashimoto’s and those with a combination of thyroid disease and diabetes. 

Let’s talk about the autoimmune diseases first: 

The reason I think it may make sense for those with autoimmune thyroid disease to give this diet a try is because there are so few treatments available for these conditions. 

I’m not saying that carnivore is the best diet for these conditions given that other diets like the AIP diet have been shown to be effective as well, but it is a really simple and easy diet for the average person to wrap their head around. 

Comparing the AIP diet to the carnivore diet is night and day. 

AIP requires a more thorough understanding of food and nutrition and it may not be as accessible to people who are not as well versed in nutrition as others.

Carnivore, on the other hand, can be simplified into a few sentences which means there may be more patient compliance with this type of diet. 

Again, that’s not to say that other diets can’t or won’t work for thyroid autoimmune disease, because they can, but simplifying the nutrition for the average person does have certain advantages. 

The next group of people who may want to consider going carnivore are those with a combination of diabetes and thyroid disease (of any type). 

The reason for this recommendation is simple: 

Going carnivore has the potential to put diabetes into remission quite rapidly which will have a profound positive impact on the entire body. 

If given the opportunity to remove this incredibly destructive disease from your body, you should take it. 

Again, this isn’t the only diet that can help reverse diabetes, but it’s one of the easier diets for people to grasp. 

Having said all of this, even if you were to go carnivore with a thyroid problem, I don’t see any evidence to suggest that it should be used long-term. 

The best way to use a diet such as this is to use it temporarily until you have gotten the problem you are trying to tackle under control. 

From there, I think it makes sense to transition to a whole food-based diet which includes healthy carbohydrates in the form of fruits, vegetables, and honey. 

This allows you to take advantage of the benefits of the carnivore diet without realizing the long-term potential negative outcome associated with its use. 

The Bottom Line? 

Outside of these instances (and a few select others), you won’t find my routinely recommending the carnivore diet to patients with thyroid problems. 

For the average person with thyroid disease, I don’t think the benefits outweigh the risks and potential uncertainties associated with this diet. 

Now I want to hear from you:

Were you aware that low-carb diets like the carnivore diet can have a negative impact on your thyroid and other hormones?

Have you personally tried the carnivore diet before? 

Did it work for you? Why or why not?

Do you disagree with my assessment that the risks of going carnivore don’t outweigh its benefits? Why or why not?

Leave your questions or comments below to keep the conversation going! 

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38 responses to “Avoid The Carnivore Diet If You Have Thyroid Problems”

  1. Dianne Gardner Avatar
    Dianne Gardner

    Yes, this is a great article, and I completely agree with you. I have tried a carnivore diet to heal gut issues primarily, and was trying to “reset” my thyroid. It worked! I have hashimotos so I just have to avoid the typical triggers. Love all of your products and information.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Dianne,

      Glad you found it helpful and thanks for sharing!

  2. Not really sure what I should think of the article. I won’t agree and disagree with it.
    I am on carnivore since November 2020. Feel so much better when I went strict carnivore, felt great the first year for sure! My digestive system never worked better. The only concern is my thyroglobulin antibodies that has been elevated for over a year now. Maybe even longer, not sure as I have not tested it before that. I do experience some symptoms of thyroid autoimmune disease but have not really been diagnosed.
    I truly believe that Carnivore healed my gut, helped me with depression. It’s almost like I am afraid of needing to change my diet just because I thrive on it so much. Don’t want to make my condition worse by being scared or stubborn but also, if making any changes want to make sure that that’s the right thing to do and is necessary to improve my health.
    I have been vegetarian for almost 20 years, eating what was supposed to be the healthiest food, recommended way of eating for all of us. Did not work at all, caused more bad than good. I don’t ever want to go back to it. I don’t want to get serious thyroid problems as well. Feel kind of stuck in between all the recommendations.
    I am glad however to see different articles with controversial opinions as that makes me want to learn more about it.

    1. I have been vegetarian and then fruitarian ( not strict) for years veggie then 1 summer all fruit. Developed issues like bloat and then introduced low carb using raw milk and farm eggs…no fruit. My stomach flattened but I still am not my usual weight. Menopause. Age 48. Hair shedding etc. But now I’m wondering if the raw milk and eggs is not right . I have mthfr. I’m not supposed to have dairy. So then I read to skim fat. I eat raw pecans. And now I’m guessing I should stop. Bit whats left? I don’t eat grains or sugar. Or meat. And I ready fatty meat is bad. And carnivore will hurt thyroid. I was hypothyroid many years ago. I fixed it with iodine and exercise and eating alot less. Like 1 meal a day lean meat and cooked vegetables. But years later I switched to raw vegen.. I’m not sure if I should just go back to fruit and vegetables raw or do cooked vegetables and lean meat?

    2. Hi Karina, I too was vegetarian for about 20 years then went vegan for 2 years. I’ve been diagnosed with hypothyroidism for over 20 years. I continued to have all the symptoms of hypothyroidism even with meds and was continually changing dosages to try and help. Fought weight gain, depression, brain fog, gut issues and the such most of those years. Almost 2 years ago I staring eating a keto diet. Very low to no carbs. I am down to my high school weight and have maintained it without having to work at it, so to speak. Lost all cravings too. Before going keto I attempted to just wean off my hypo meds but went downhill in 3 months, but mind you that was when I was vegan. So I went back on my meds as it was quite scary what was happening to my body without the drugs. But now about a few weeks ago since I’m eating keto and feeling so much better than before, I’ve cut my meds in half to watch and feel how my body responds. And in late I’m thinking of going carnivore to see if that might help alleviate more symptoms. I would like to be drug free as the thyroid meds are all I take. I’m 70 and in excellent health at this time. Walk daily, healthy heart, good lungs, and now good gut since changing to keto. Your message rings so true for me and has helped me to just carry on and listen to my body and mental health since doctors seem to dismiss so much when asked to help with thyroid issues except to prescribe pills. And unfortunately the ones that might help cost a fortune! Thank you for your message! Teresa, someone who can most definitely relate to you.

  3. Susan Baillie Avatar
    Susan Baillie

    Thank you for this article. I was strict carnivore for about 6 months and felt really good until i started to develop really thick plaque like skin on my face. I was exhausted, could not concentrate, was falling asleep all the time and making mistakes at work. My brother is an MD and was worried about myxedema due to hypothyroid. He was right. As soon as I started to eat carbs and was started on thyroid meds my skin started to improve. My brain is a lot happier but still recovering from the exhaustion and chronic fatigue. I have just started on your supplements as hope to get back on track soon.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Susan,

      There’s a fair amount of evidence to suggest that the thyroid runs better with higher intakes of carbohydrates than the amount allowed with keto/carnivore. You can learn more here: https://restartmed.stagemarketingdemo.com/how-many-carbs-should-you-eat-with-hypothyroidism/

      1. Bob Smith Avatar
        Bob Smith

        For her! To put everyone in the same basket is very unprofessional, as well as misleading.

        1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
          Dr. Westin Childs

          Hi Bob,

          It’s not unprofessional or inaccurate. Right now, the existing evidence points to the fact that, in general, thyroid function improves with more carbohydrates, not less.

          If you have evidence that supports the opposing viewpoint, feel free to share it.

  4. This is not a ‘is it good or bad,’ it depends on the individual. I have issues with carbs, I have always felt felt better when I would go lower carb in life.. too bad I didn’t do that often, I wish I had! I have severe issues with carbs – my fingers swell up, I get bloated, depressed, anxious, etc. It’s extremely disappointing to see someone say that carnivore is not for people with thyroid
    issues—because it works for me and I have thyroid issues. I take cytomel and absorb it really well when I don’t have any fiber in my gut.. I will not be going back to carbs. I would rather live than die, and I was on the verge of death.. my story is horrifying and zero carb saved my life. If you can tolerate carbs and stat slim and healthy, eat them! If you are overweight and feel terrible , probably best to lower the carbs, just my opinion. Who the hell would go carnivore if they didn’t have to, I sure wouldn’t!

    Ps. I did try paleo, AIP, and still felt horrible. I removed things and then added back in, did all of it. Carnivore is it for me and I’m very grateful I discovered it on my own, I just began eating only meat a few years back and it worked! No more horrific symptoms.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi R,

      There will always be people who are exceptions to the rule, but they are just that; exceptions. My assertion is that if the majority of thyroid patients defaulted to the carnivore diet, they would be worse off for the reasons listed in this article.

      I did not, nor would I ever, make a sweeping statement to indicate that the carnivore is absolutely off-limits for all thyroid patients.

      I think what happens is that some people who are doing well on low-carb diets feel defensive about my assertions, but it’s absolutely possible that two things can be true at once: You personally may do well on a low-carb diet AND many thyroid patients (most, in fact) would do worse.

      1. Hi R and Dr Childs,

        Do you they they are worse off because they are making too much rT3 from the T4 they may be taking? What if they are a T3 only individual? Or perhaps they do not need to use as much T3 when relying on a fat system and using more naturally converted T2. A few carnivore clinicians have found this to be the case.

        I think the discussion here is more nuanced. I am willing to bet a person on a higher T2:T3 ratio may actually do well on carnivore or keto! It may be very healing to their mitochondria.

        There is evidence to suggest that it is adaptive to run lower T3 numbers when in a fasted or fasted mimicking state such as keto or carnivore. I am currently untreated, I suspect I am T3 only. However, strict 80% fast keto saves me, because it is the only diet my low thyroid function can accommodate.

        These are my thoughts. I would love to know if you, Dr Childs, have seen a higher T2:T3 ratio work for keto/carnivore clients. Or R, do you take more T2?

        Any information would be helpful, thanks so much!

        1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
          Dr. Westin Childs

          Hi S,

          I agree that the drop in T3 with low carb diets represents an adaptive response. It’s also adaptive when testosterone drops, etc. The adaptation that the body goes through in the low carb state isn’t really up for debate, but what is up for debate is what that response means.

          Some clinicians suggest that this response is fine and is merely the body changing to the new environment and that it’s not pathologic. This is likely true for some people.

          My suggestion is that this adative response is often pathogenic, especially for thyroid patients, and is a problem for many people when it occurs.

          But that doesn’t mean you can’t combat those changes with hormone replacement. You could certainly negate T4 to rT3 conversion with T3 and T2, just like you could negate low testosterone with TRT.

          But how can you suggest that altering your diet such that it requires hormone replacement therapy to be a net positive for the body? Won’t the right diet normalize your hormones without the need to take exogenous hormones just to get back to normal?

          I believe it will, and this is one of the main reasons why I don’t recommend long-term carnivore.

  5. E=McSquared Avatar
    E=McSquared

    Perhaps not carnivore/keto but Paleo worked wonders for me with ALL my issues including being able to get OFF my thyroid meds and I lost 40 lbs, that’s not water weight.
    So it’s a matter of perspective depending on the person.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi E=McSquared,

      The loss in water weight with going low carb is really only seen initially, but it can still result in fat loss over time. My contention is that the fat loss component of low carb diets is not greater than any other diet when the water weight is factored in.

  6. Gloria Avatar
    Gloria

    Have Hashimotos and tried carnivore for almost 2 months. Was so weak I could barely pick up a brush to brush my hair. Had to quit it. Took a few weeks to finally get back to normal. It does not work for me.

  7. Krisztina Avatar
    Krisztina

    my problem with the study you cited is, that it is 11 people, that is not a study for evidence, this is an anecdote. I would like to see a study with 1000s of people to prove what you are saying. I’m not convinced that carnivore, or low carb is the bingo for everyone, but this 11 people study proves nothing, sorry.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Krisztina,

      It’s certainly higher quality evidence than anecdote, but not as high quality as a randomized controll trial. This isn’t the only study to suggest that low carb impacts T3 levels, though, as this has been known in physiology for decades. I just grabbed a study to highlight its effects in something more modern.

  8. I’ve been on Carnivore consistently for 4 of the past 5 years. Lately I’ve been branching out and including other foods. I can say that I do feel better when I eat carbohydrates, however I only eat them with my final meal for the day. My testosterone has nearly doubled since the beginning of this year, but I have not had any sort of sexual dysfunction, it was the lack of energy that lead me to check it. I have had an ablated thyroid for 22 years. My last calcium score was 0. I have gained 15 lbs. this year bringing me back to 230. I don’t seem any fatter, it’s possible that the muscle I lost is coming back.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Rob,

      Are you saying that your testosterone increased after adding back some carbohydrates to your diet? If so, that tracks with what I’ve been seeing as well. Do you have data on your SHBG or free testosterone? Those would be the metrics to look at.

  9. I’m on long term keto, no negative effect on my hypothyroidism

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi John,

      My contention is that low carb shouldn’t be the default recommendation for thyroid patients, not that it doesn’t have beenfit to certain people.

      It’s also worth noting that when I refer to long-term, I am referring to 3-5+ years of daily use. That’s usually around the time when people start to see negative changes to their testosterone, thyroid, SHBG, body temp, etc.

  10. Hélène Avatar
    Hélène

    Carni is being lambasted everywhere. That should be the reader’s first clue. It is so effective, it’s scaring the powers that be. Thyroid & carbs myths need to die and die hard, not be trotted out every time lowcarb has a resurgence.
    I’ve never felt better in my life than when carni. The satiation was unbelievable. I had body recomp with ZERO exercise. None. Animal fat with animal protein is a beautiful thing.
    (I’m an old fat lady, hypothyroid; nothing works for us!)

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Helene,

      I definitely wouldn’t use popularity as evidence that something is effective or safe. Dietary trends blow up and blow over usually every 2-5 years and you can go back through the last 20 to see which ones were popular at which time. The Atkin’s diet, for instance, was popular in the 70’s and in the early 2000’s. Keto and carnivore are just newer iterations of low carb based diets with a slightly different spin.

  11. I have Hashimotos and went on a mostly carnivore diet about 8 months ago to lose some weight. I did lose weight within the 6 weeks I was on the diet, but I was very fatigued, to the point of disrupting my life, and became really haggard looking. I had to stop eating that way and the weight returned fast, yet I am only just recovering now from the effects of that diet. So, it’s definitely not for me. But like the previous poster, I too am getting older, I’m fat, hypothyroid and only half alive, most of the time.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Jo,

      Have you tried any other diets? You might have success with something like the Mediterranean diet.

  12. Bella Avatar
    Bella

    Dr. Child’s,
    I have Hashimoto’s, and I’ve been on the carnivore diet for one year. It has helped me tremendously. I had intentions of eating this way temporarily, however, I am not inclined to change soon. One way it has really helped me is as an elimination diet. I can add foods back in slowly, and this really helps me identify trigger foods that cause me problems! That is the reason I started the carnivore way of eating. I was not trying to lose weight.
    Thank you for this helpful and concise article. You have your readers’ best interest in mind, and I appreciate the info and considerations!

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Bella,

      I’m glad it’s working for you! Just be sure to keep an eye on your SHBG, thyroid lab tests, and sex hormones as you enter into years 3-5. If it’s going to cause problems, that’s usually when it happens.

  13. Krisztina Whittle Avatar
    Krisztina Whittle

    The study you mention in this article involved 11 people. That is not scientific evidence. That is an anecdote. I’m not sold on the carnivore diet, it is way too boring to be on it for long term for me. It is very effective to get rid of type 2 diabetes however, if you can survive the boredom of it. But I wish you could mention studies that involve at least 100’s of people with double blind placebo to prove a point. I’ve seen way too many studies trying to prove veganism so good for you, with the same tactics, hardly more than 20 people involved and almost no difference between the outcome of the 2 groups, the last twin study, to be precise… it was really embarrassing to point out this to people, but the plant based hype blinds most people, everybody wants to be cool… there are way too many long term vegans turning carnivores because they got really sick on the vegan diet. as I said I’m not sold on the carnivore, I wish it was a magic pill for me, but it is not. But it is for many people, and I’m really happy for them. I was into the AIP diet as well. Cannot go without coffee and chocolate, lol, and when I looked into it, the study on it, also involved max 30 people…. everybody is so different, and food is just one of the many factors that influences our health : sleep, exercise, stress levels are also so important, but most of us can control only what goes into our bodies so that is why everybody is so focused on food

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Kristzina,

      I think you are confused regarding the quality and strength of various types of scientic evidence. Even anecdote is considered a form of evidence, albeit a weak one. The study mentioned here is of higher quality and strength compared to true anecodotes, but not as strong as randomized controlled trials or meta analyses.

      In regards to study design and nutrition, you probably are never going to find something that is sufficiently convincing because they just aren’t really that feasible without throwing someone in a metabolic ward for months on end. As a result, we have to go with what we have, using a combination of prospective studies, retrospective analysis, physiologic understanding, patient experience, and other small studies that are fraught with confounding variables.

      It’s using this combination that I’ve come to the conclusion that I have shared here.

      I have no agenda and nothing to gain or lose from anyone going vegan or carnivore, I just share my opinion on various topics and people can do with that what they will.

      If you want to see why I think veganism is a problem, you can read more about there: https://restartmed.stagemarketingdemo.com/vegan-diet-hypothyroidism/

      I’ve also written in the past about the problems with the keto diet and AIP diet:
      https://restartmed.stagemarketingdemo.com/aip-diet/
      https://restartmed.stagemarketingdemo.com/ketogenic-diet-thyroid/

  14. Suzanne Avatar
    Suzanne

    I tried keto, lost 20 pounds, then hit a wall. I lost the increased energy I had the first 3 months and stopped losing weight. My thyroid lab values went south, too. I gave up and started eating carbs again, but still didn’t feel well. What I’ve found is that some carbs, in the right proportion, are helpful. Highly refined carbs are harmful, but healthy carbs from whole fruits and vegetables are good for the body. So if I have an omelet, for example, I add things like mushrooms and onions. At dinner I have a salad and a serving of steamed vegetables with my protein. And I skip desert most days, making exceptions occasionally for things like a little fresh fruit. I rarely eat bread products, even gluten-free ones. And to my surprise I’ve found that eating 3 meals a day at regular intervals keeps my blood sugar levels steady. Common sense, I know. But I’d been stuck thinking for years that skipping meals was good for health and weight loss. I don’t snack between meals unless I feel my blood level needs a boost, and then only something like cheese with a few gluten-free crackers. But that’s a rarity. I’ve found that this way of eating has eliminated my cravings. In the short time that I’ve been eating this way I’ve lost 5 pounds and my TSH has gone down considerably. I’ve been able to reduce my dosage of thyroid meds without experiencing an uptick in my hypothyroid symptoms. As someone else here has said, we’re all individuals, and what will work for some may not work for others. We just need to be persistent and find what works for us.

  15. Marcella Chand Avatar
    Marcella Chand

    Wow, it’s a lot of info to begin with so here’s my thoughts on my personal prospectives on starting a carnivore diet but not 100% as I already decided not to go all out, I do love my fresh vegetables and fruits and of course honey in my coffee with mct oil and a bit of cream only in the morning. No, I didn’t know of the impact carbs would have on thyroid function but thanks again Dr Childs for ur input.. No I never tried this before so I only just started 3 days ago and again, more like 80% carnivore, also was planning to do this for 1-3 months then see the results and the way it makes me feel. And per adventure should it work out well then I may take a break then do that rounds again. Hope this encourages someone and I do hope y’all feel better about yourself health wise

  16. Hi! Your post made me think, although I heard that FT3 decreases on Carnivore diet, I didn’t think it would happen to someone on T3 only. I guess it’s due to SHBG, which I will test next. Or could there be any other reason?
    My two last lab tests of FT3 were in 37% and 50% of the range, despite being on 150mcg of T3! I went on Carnivore 6 months ago due to gut issues, before that, my FT3 would be in the 90-100% of the range on 120mcg.
    I don’t have hyper symptoms but my hypo symptoms haven’t ever fully subsided (I have a bit more energy, I’m less cold but e.g. my weight hasn’t moved).

    I have not changed my medications, I have been taking the same Thybon, on prescription for the last 2.5 years.
    I am 38 years old, I have had Hashimoto’s since I was 18 and my thyroid now is practically atrophied (almost undetectable on ultrasound). I used to be on T4 only for all those years, but for over last 2.5 years I have been taking T3, of which T3 only for about 1.6 years.
    My blood pressure is usually within normal – about 115/75, pulse 80.
    My saliva cortisol was usually optimal, Vitamin D, Fe too.
    My RT3 and FT4 are always low since taking T3.
    I have started to take a bit of iodine (1mg a day) – could that be the cause? Shouldn’t it affect just TSH?

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Wero,

      Most thyroid hormone is bound to thyroid binding globulin, prealbumin, and albumin, not SHBG. The rise in SHBG in low carb diets is what reduces free testosterone and estradiol, but likely has little effect on thyroid hormones. The drop in T3 levels seen in low carb diets is thought to be a physiologic response, similar to what is seen in chronic illness, euthyroid sick syndrome, and starvation.

  17. I have Hashimotos, and have taken Levothyroxine for 4 years. I’ve tried many ways of eating to reduce antibodies from WFPB, Vegan, AIP, and more recently Keto. My TPO antibodies have remained at ‘greater than 600’ (the UK test threshold is 600) and it’s never changed for me during this time.

    I had been trialling a Keto diet for approx 4 months and had been feeling better than I have in a long time. Noticeable improvements in energy, skin dryness, nail growth and remarkable results on depression. It’s been fascinating to observe.

    The last 5 or so weeks I had started to slowly transition more to Carnivore as I had been hearing all the benefits on inflammation and autoimmune disease.
    However in the last couple of weeks I noticed my hair was falling out to a worrying degree.
    Was this due to restricting food groups even further for Carnivore, or just a reduction in Thyroid function due to several months on Keto? I can’t say as I decided to end the experiment early due to the amount of hair fall. I am now upping my carbs and I have just checked my Thyroid levels.
    Here is the interesting part.

    My TSH has gone up, it’s not super high at 5.6 but I’m usually stable at around 2.0 on Levo and 5-6 is when I start to feel unwell in myself and would explain the hair fall.
    My Free T4 is in the normal range, my Free T3 is on the lower end of normal and unfortunately they don’t test Reverse T3. But all those T4 and T3 results are usual for me.
    However, my TPO results have come back and finally I have an actual number.. 545iu/ml.
    So my antibodies have reduced for the first time ever.

    Now I’m in that really confusing place where I can see and feel visible symptoms of my TSH getting worse, but my antibodies have lowered for the first time ever since diagnosis.
    Was I starting to reverse the autoimmune disease? Could I have reduced my antibodies further on strict Carnivore?

    Maybe the Paul Saladino way of meat and fruit might keep the carbs high enough to get the TSH back down to normal, but keep the antibodies coming down the Carnivore way?
    I’m guessing It’s a theory I might now need to try myself.

    Hope you, and others have found this interesting.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Crystal,

      As counter intuitive as it may sound, thyroid antibodies do not always track with disease progression. I’ve seen situations in which antibodies increase but symptoms decrease and vice versa. If we were to compare TSH to antibodies as a measure of thyroid function, TSH would be a superior marker in that regard. Antibodies would be a superior marker of immmune health, though. It’s hard to draw any conclusions from what you’ve stated here but, as far as I can tell, most thyroid patients do better on a blended whole food diet with adequate carbs and sufficient protein.

  18. Marsha Whitt Avatar
    Marsha Whitt

    It is my understanding that as carbs are reduced, cells in the body become more sensitive, and more efficient at utilizing, T3, and that is why less T3 is converted from T4. Nutritionist Judy Cho poses one such argument (https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/the-carnivore-diet-and-low-thyroid). If carbs were needed, humans would be extinct, as our ancient human ancestors ate primarily meat (proven through stable isotope analysis); and they didn’t have the sugar-laden modern fruits and veggies, so seasonal carb intake was still very low carb.

    1. Dr. Westin Childs Avatar
      Dr. Westin Childs

      Hi Marsha,

      Some people do suggest that the decline in T3 seen with low carb diets is somehow advantageous to the body, but there are two big problems with this theory:

      #1. It’s never been proven nor is there any research to suggest that it’s true.
      #2. Those who experience low T3 secondary to low carb diets often experience correseponding low thyroid symptoms such as a decline in body temperature which resolves with the reintroduction of carbs. This was the case in one of the examples I listed in this very article.

      Your second statement regarding carbs being non-essential for humans is irrelevant. I never made the statement that carbs are essential, only that they are needed for optimal thyroid function. And even then, this is really only significant in the setting of existing thyroid dysfunction and/or those who are borderline prior to going low carb.

      That said, it would be unwise to compare ancestral life to modern day life anyway, as our current environment is nothing like what our ancesters would have been subjected to.

      At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter to me what any individual eats, there’s just no evidence to suggest that low carb is beneficial for those with thyroid dysfunction.

      My contention is that, as a whole, more thyroid patients would do better avoiding carnivore and eating more carbs, not less.

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